Debbie N. ([info]wild_irises) wrote,
@ 2004-11-03 08:04:00
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Wednesday Morning, Might As Well Be 3 A.M.
You know, it wasn't going to be that good under John Kerry, either. The main thing that would have been different is that "we" would have had a better chance to push our agenda, the agenda which had already lost this year in the Democratic Party selection of a candidate. This way, as [info]red_frog points out, we won't have to watch a Democratic administration preside over the disaster in Iraq. We won't have the horrible experience of the millions of people who voted for Lyndon Johnson in 1964 because they hated the war in Vietnam. We will have, on the other hand, a faith-based, anti-science, anti-environmentalist, dangerous administration working against the best interests of 98% of the American people, and 99.5% (at least) of the population of the world.

We have three choices: we can leave, which (as our friends who are not citizens of this country will tell us) will hardly save us from the effects of the Imperial Presidency. We can give in to despair. Or we can live as if what we do matters, even when we feel the most victimized, the least powerful. Let's face it, those of us with computers, and LiveJournals, and roofs over our heads are not the most victimized.

Here's playwright and inspiration Tony Kushner:

I believe our despair is a lie we are telling ourselves. In many other periods of history, people, ordinary citizens, routinely set aside hours, days, time in their lives for doing the work of politics, some of which is glam and revolutionary and some of which is dull and electoral and tedious and not especially pure -- and the world changed because of the work they did. That's what we're starting now. It requires setting aside the time to do it, and then doing it. Not any single one of us has to or possibly can save the world, but together in some sort of concert, in even not-especially-coordinated concert, with all of us working where we see work to be done, the world will change. And we have to do it by showing up places, our bodies in places, turn off the fucking computers, leave the Web and the Net -- and show up, our bodies at meetings and demos and rallies and leafletting corners.

Because this is a moment in history that needs us to begin, each of us every day at her or his own pace, slowly and surely rediscovering how to be politically active, how to organize our disparate energies into effective group action -- and I choose to believe we will do what is required. Act. Organize. Assemble. Oppose. Resist. Find a place a cause a group a friend and start, today, now now now, continue continue continue. Being politically active is for the citizens of a democracy maybe the best way of speaking to God and hearing Her answer: You exist. If we are active, if we are activist, She replies to us: You specifically exist. Mazel tov. Now get busy, She replies. Maintain the world by changing the world.


I don't speak to God, myself. But here's my plan: to get up every day, to live in the world as I have been living in the world, only more so, to do my work on myself, and to do my work in the world. And not to let those hatemongers make me more of a hater than a lover. Most days.



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[info]beatgoddess
2004-11-03 08:12 am UTC (link)
Thank you for writing this perspective. It knocked the sense back into me that I had lost a little bit for a split second, the sense of remembering that there are silver linings to shitstorms. Kerry wasn't going to be the answer.

I am so grateful everyday, even today. Especially today.

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Thanks
(Anonymous)
2004-11-03 08:17 am UTC (link)

Thanks Debbie. I desperately needed your comments this morning. Guess I'm not moving to Canada after all.

Diane S from BU

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[info]kalmn
2004-11-03 08:21 am UTC (link)
thanks for this. due to the divorce and the moving, i had sadly given up the immigration to canada idea, but it's good to hear about plans to manage to do other things, helpful things.

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[info]lovecraftienne
2004-11-03 08:26 am UTC (link)
What frightens me - admittedly from the outside, here =in= Canada - is that there is now no check whatsoever on the Shrub. He's going to have complete control of all three branches: he's got the executive and legislative, and it's only time before he grabs the judiciary as well. He's got no more re-election to run for...you're in for a fight, folks. There are =no= checks on the man.

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[info]hhw
2004-11-03 08:51 am UTC (link)
I think he's already got the judiciary: see the 2000 election.

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(no subject) - [info]lovecraftienne, 2004-11-03 08:53 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]wild_irises, 2004-11-03 10:23 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]vito_excalibur, 2004-11-03 10:37 am UTC
similar thoughts
[info]rmjwell
2004-11-03 08:34 am UTC (link)
I just posted my thoughts on the anti-same sex marriage initiatives and what to do next. We are each on the same wavelength, it seems.

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Re: similar thoughts
[info]wild_irises
2004-11-03 10:24 am UTC (link)
And have I got some baseball history for you, when I get a moment ...

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[info]ksp24
2004-11-03 09:06 am UTC (link)
Thanks for this positive posting.

Guess we figure out how to stay and work to make a difference.

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[info]cynthia1960
2004-11-03 09:09 am UTC (link)
I hope the rest of the planet has patience with those of us trying to implement positive change. This government never has and never will speak for me.

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[info]kightp
2004-11-03 09:10 am UTC (link)
I seem to be roaming around LJ posting "Yes. That." a lot as I try to process my own thoughts and feelings this morning.

Yes. That.

Especially:

Or we can live as if what we do matters, even when we feel the most victimized, the least powerful. Let's face it, those of us with computers, and LiveJournals, and roofs over our heads are not the most victimized.

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[info]pantryslut
2004-11-03 09:19 am UTC (link)
Tony Kushner is a precious national resource. Thanks for posting this.

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[info]wild_irises
2004-11-03 11:41 am UTC (link)
So is (was) Allen Ginsberg. Thanks for yours as well!

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[info]klwalton
2004-11-03 09:59 am UTC (link)
Wonderful. And very close to how I'm feeling about it all this morning. Thank you, Debbie.

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[info]holyoutlaw
2004-11-03 10:09 am UTC (link)
This post was inspirational and calming. Thank you.

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[info]exrat
2004-11-03 10:15 am UTC (link)
Linked to from my LJ. Well said, and thank you.

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[info]firecat
2004-11-03 10:36 am UTC (link)
Well said; I quoted a bit of it in my own post on the subject.

Ironically, one of my reasons for not moving out of the country is that I won't move away from my parents, who are probably pretty happy with many of the election results. But it's more important to me to help take care of them than to seek a country elsewhere that's more in line with my political beliefs.

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Thank you...
[info]imnotandrei
2004-11-03 10:46 am UTC (link)
This morning, I needed that.


Thank you, Debbie, for trying. THank you for finding this Tony Kushner.

Once more into the breach -- and once more again, and again, until that damn breach gives up. ;)

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This sums it up:
(Anonymous)
2004-11-03 10:55 am UTC (link)
"We will have, on the other hand, a faith-based, anti-science, anti-environmentalist, dangerous administration working against the best interests of 98% of the American people, and 99.5% (at least) of the population of the world."

I was not expecting great things from Kerry at all, but it was reasonable to hope for decent Supreme Court appointees, the line to be held on civil liberties and women's rights, the theocracy desired by many of Bush's supporters to be held at bay, and the reversal of some of the most damaging actions of the last four years.

SO, as Kushner says....

-- Lisa

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[info]karensu
2004-11-03 11:11 am UTC (link)
Well said--thanks.

I've been wondering, this morning, whether this qualifies as RD's case for "I have to stay and fight." Does he have a LiveJournal?

Hugs. Take care.

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[info]wild_irises
2004-11-03 11:40 am UTC (link)
I've been wondering the same thing, and no. I'll ask him.

(For the unclued: RD is a friend of mine, and [info]karensu has heard me quote him as saying that if Bush won honestly, he'd leave, because this would no longer be his country, but if Bush won the election, he'd have to stay and fight.

For me, I do think Bush won the election pretty honestly, for a small and narrow definition of "honestly," which encompasses some mighty big overall lies.

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Good way to put it... - (Anonymous), 2004-11-03 11:58 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]karensu, 2004-11-03 12:04 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]wild_irises, 2004-11-03 12:24 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]karensu, 2004-11-03 01:09 pm UTC
The lies. - (Anonymous), 2004-11-03 01:41 pm UTC
Re: The lies. - [info]karensu, 2004-11-03 07:34 pm UTC
Who am I? - (Anonymous), 2004-11-03 09:46 pm UTC

[info]webmacher
2004-11-03 11:27 am UTC (link)
Well said.

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[info]onesoul
2004-11-03 12:08 pm UTC (link)
I'll get there... I will. It's just slow to come right now. None the less, thank you for these words. They are important.

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[info]wild_irises
2004-11-03 12:31 pm UTC (link)
Good luck!

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[info]athenais
2004-11-03 12:44 pm UTC (link)
All calls to action are welcome, and all reminders to live as though what you do and say really matter are important.

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Found in Salon
(Anonymous)
2004-11-03 12:55 pm UTC (link)
An article that summarizes much of what scares me most about the Bush Presidency:

http://www.salon.com/opinion/blumenthal/2004/11/03/second_bush_term/index.html

That would be the theocratic side.

== Lisa

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[info]olivia_circe
2004-11-03 01:33 pm UTC (link)
Thank you.

Lots of love.

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[info]jb98
2004-11-03 03:04 pm UTC (link)
Do you mind if I link to this in my journal? It's wonderful, thank you.

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[info]wild_irises
2004-11-03 03:33 pm UTC (link)
You're most welcome and yes, feel free to link. I'm a bit bemused at how much this post seems to mean to people.

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[info]cakmpls
2004-11-03 03:17 pm UTC (link)
We have three choices: we can leave, which (as our friends who are not citizens of this country will tell us) will hardly save us from the effects of the Imperial Presidency. We can give in to despair. Or we can live as if what we do matters, even when we feel the most victimized, the least powerful. Let's face it, those of us with computers, and LiveJournals, and roofs over our heads are not the most victimized.

Sing it, Sister. I'm with you. May I quote you far and wide (with attribution, of course)?

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[info]wild_irises
2004-11-03 03:32 pm UTC (link)
I'll be honored.

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(no subject) - [info]cakmpls, 2004-11-03 04:39 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]jb98, 2004-11-03 04:47 pm UTC

[info]don_fitch
2004-11-03 06:27 pm UTC (link)
Yes. With a background of childhood during the last years of The Great Depression, farming traditions, and a lifetime spent growing plants, I've learned that all you can do is try to survive, and work at making things better when more suitable times come along. I will not allow 51% of the American voters to make me into a bitter and hopeless old man (actually, 76 isn't all _that_ old), hopelessly complaining (pointing things out and being caustic are okay) about the Terrible Circumstances. I expect to continue to do whatever I feel I can, albeit with less hope than I used to have of seeing beneficial results during my lifetime.

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[info]wild_irises
2004-11-04 08:58 pm UTC (link)
It's good to see you here! And I know of my own knowledge that the world has beneficial results from having you in it, though they might be on a smaller scale than your dreams of change.

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May I suggest a new party?
[info]hunter_moon
2004-11-03 08:44 pm UTC (link)
I supported Kerry. I thought he could win. I think a lot of us thought that way. I never thought he was the "best" candidate, but, for the first time in my life, I decided to vote for the candidate I thought could beat the reprehensible incumbent. I was wrong. We were all wrong.

In the final analysis, the Democrats manages to lose the presidency, give up a seat in the senate, and give up several seats in the house. I do not believe the Democrats are a viable party anymore. I think you have to go back to Johnson v. Goldwater before you find a Democratic presidential candidate who polled more than 50% of the popular vote. Clinton didn't do it, even though he won handily both times. The Republicans have done it a number of times.

We could construct a party that would draw from the Democratic and Republican parties and win elections every time. We could start by taking local elections in the very next election. These things are very easy to win and are frequently won by less than 50 votes in off years, but it would be a good place to make a name for a new party.

Compromises would have to be made, but it would be better than what we have right now. These two corporate parties have to go.

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Re: May I suggest a new party?
(Anonymous)
2004-11-05 09:13 am UTC (link)
I don't know what the right thing to do is. It's surprising that Kerry didn't pull more from the moderate wing of the Republican party - the people who regard Iraq as a disaster and Bush's fiscal policies as a repudiation of longstanding Republican principle. I expect he did fine among those people in New England, home of Olympia Snowe and Lincoln Chaffee (and you have to wonder why THEY haven't bolted the GOP, since they're pro-choice, pro-environment, moderates).

It is true that I have been half-jokingly touting a unity ticket of Olympia Snowe and Barack Obama for 2008, or maybe 2012. I have enormous fears about who the Republicans will nominate next time around, given their catering to both the lunatic fringe and the corporate robbers of their party. Most likely: Jeb Bush. Who said we're not a monarchy?

I guess whether a new party is a good idea depends on what any individual wants. I would happily settle for a moderate government for the next 10 or 20 years - one that would CLEAN UP the disasters of this administration, get us set on a sensible energy policy, rescue Social Security and Medicare, etc. Of course, what I would prefer is a socialist government, but I think there is no chance of that in this country.

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Re: May I suggest a new party? - (Anonymous), 2004-11-05 09:14 am UTC

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